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LT  Rudolph GRUM

UNIT: 418th BOMB Sqdn POSITION: NAV

 Rudolph Grum NAV on the John F. Stephens crew. Detailed Information (100th Photo Archives) 

SERIAL #: O-749387 STATUS: POW
MACR: 01030 CR: 01030

Comments1: 10 OCT 43 MUNSTER (CRASHE LANDED AALTEN, HOLLAND)

COMMENTS & NOTES

MEMO 1:

CREW

2nd Lt. John J. "Skippy" Flanigan           P  CPT      ?/2/44 Taps 1976         sn#O-797503
2nd Lt. Douglas E.Dunsdon                   CP  CPT                                     sn#O-801641
2nd Lt. Earl L.Richardson                    BOM  POW     6/3/1944 BERLIN      (with D. Miner)       See Below
2nd Lt. Rudolph Grum                      NAV  POW 10/10/1943 MUNSTER  (with J.F.Stephens) See Below
 T/Sgt. Guy M.Tuccero                     TTE  CPT
 S/Sgt. Adam E. "Rudy" Rutkowski       ROG  CPT
 S/Sgt. Guerino "Bill" Melchiorre            BTG  CPT
 S/Sgt. Frederick D."Farmer"Brown        WG  CPT
S/Sgt Salvatore J. Luistro                   WG  CPT
 S/Sgt. Jack J.Strang                            TG  CPT

Crew,as above,joined the 100th BG (418th Sqdn.) 3/9/43. Crew flew in "Royal Flush" for 19 missions.

Sgt Carl "Rosie" Platkin, from Replacement Gunners Pool flew a few missions with this Crew

2nd Lt Richardson flew his 24th mission with Lt Riley on a makeup crew.  On March 6, 1944 2nd Lt Richardson flew his  25th mission with Lt David Miner Crew, which also included 2nd Lt George E.Kinsella (from Lt Reily"s Crew) and was shot down.  Richardson was POW and Kinsella was KIA.  See details below. 

Subj: The Paddlefoot  
Date: 12/12/2002 10:17:16 AM Pacific Standard Time 
From: dovejoint@hotmail.com 
To: mpfaley@aol.com 
Sent from the Internet (Details) 
 
Hello Mike,
    Here is the info from the report of Paddledoot's Proxy as told by Capt. 
Elton:

     I took off at 1833, September 6, 1943 to slow time a new engine(no. 3). 
The others aboard were 910 Pilot and Co-Pilot of a replacement crew. (2) Our 
squadran line chief (engineering).
  At 1925 I attempted to contact the tower for landing instruction and found 
my radio out.  I then attempted to get visual (green light) by flying over 
the field gear down.  The right gear would not extend either electrically or 
manually.  As darkness was approaching I knew that I hed to set it down 
shortly, regardless of the full gas load ( approxamatly 1600 Gls.)  I fired 
a red-red flare on those dry run approaches and dropped a note to the man on 
the tower.  When I sure that all on the ground was ready, ambulances, 
fire-truck, and men in asbestos suits, I landed the ship on the grass 
paralleling our E-W runway.  Nothing unusual happened.

    John B. Kidd added the following:

   A report from the squadran engineering officer stated that the upper 
limit switch failed to operate causing the motor to burn out, and the clutch 
to freeze.  This prevented the gear from being lowered by the hand crank.  
No responsibility can be placed upon the crew due to the mechanical nature 
of the failure.  I witnessed the landing which was excellent.

   The report listed J.J Flannigan (CP), G.A. VanGemert (E), and D.E. 
Dunsdon (CP) as the other crew members with Capt. Elton.  It also stated 
that the aircraft was recovered by the 98th Service Squadran.  The accident 
happened Sept. 6, 43 and the report was stamped as received by Headquarters 
Flight Control Command in Winston-Salem, NC on Oct. 2, 43.   The report 
totaled 9 pages…Jeff DeLong 


Letter from Earl Richardson  to Jim Brown Aug.1983 says of his final rnission . . . ."The 
pilot and co-pilot caught the fire of the first fighter out of the sun, directly into the 
windshield.  I believe 3 gunners and myself got out.  I regained conscious,jumped thru the 
nose opening and the B-17 hit the ground at the same time the chute opened. You got to have 
faith!"


September 16, 1943: Bordeaux/Merignac & La Pallice (A/C 23508 - Bastard's Bungelow II) 
September 23, 1943: Vannes                                    (A/C 26087 - Royal Fush) 
September 27, 1943: Emden, Port                             (A/C 26087 - Royal Flush) 
October 2, 1943:       Emden. Docks                          (A/C 26087 - Royal Flush) 
October 4, 1943:       Saarluis & Hanau                      (A/C 26087 - Royal Flush) 
October 10, 1943:     Munster                                  (A/C 26094 - No Name) REM
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From the Daughter of S/Sgt Guerino Melshiorre:

Subj: RE: 100thBG Feedback Form  
Date: 2/26/2002 6:12:47 AM Pacific Standard Time 
From: d.aubrey@att.net 
To: MPFaley@aol.com 
Sent from the Internet (Details) 
 
Michael,
 
I spoke to my father about the war and needless to say he gave me little information. He does not have a list of the missions he and the crew flew. However, he did remember that they thought they would be the next ones down during one mission. They ran into some difficulty (what it was???) and the plane next to them left them a stray. He said that he would never forget the US plane that left. It was called the "Big Dick". He also remembered one mission where they flew to bomb a German airfield and another was in Norway. During another mission, or one of these, he remembered that all the planes disappeared and they continued to the mission destination. He does recall at one time a lead plane, right in front of them, exploding in mid-air and during another instance, a fully loaded plane crashing and exploding upon take-off at the airfield in England. 
 
I know these are only pieces of info, but this is the best I could do at this time. Dad prefers talking about all the places he saw prior to going overseas and the fun time the crew had and what the men did when they were drunk. It appears the crew got soused to relieve a lot of the tension. He also spoke about travelling around England on bicycles since that was the only mode of transportation.
 
The info I have on Dad from his discharge papers and certificates is as follows:
 
- Inducted on Set. 9, 1942 and began service on Sept. 24, 1942, Fort Jay, NY.
- Recognition and Citations:
    American Theater - Europe-Africa-Middle Eastern with 1 Bronze Star
    Good Conduct Medal, June 15, 1945
    Air Medal, October 2, 1943
    Distinguished Flying Cross, February 26, 1944
    1st OLCAM, November 29, 1943
    2nd OLCAM, December 19, 1943
    3rd OLCAM January 19, 1944
- Badges
    AAF Tech. Badge (Ap. Mech.)
    AAF Air Crew Member Badge (Wings)
- Departed to EAMET on August 19, 1943 arriving August 22, 1943
- Returned to US on March 25, 1944 arriving April 3, 1944
- Technical Training and Certificates
    Aerial Gunnery, Kingman Arizona May 10, 1943
    AP Mech, Lincoln, Nebraska February 15, 1943
    B-17 Specialist, Long Beach, California March 23, 1943
    Altitude Training, Ephrata, Washington June 3, 1943
- Flight Engineer (he says Asst. Engineer) and operated 50 Caliber gun turrets
- Also was a military instructor in the states
- Discharged October 30, 1945
 
He remembers flying to Europe from New Founland to Ireland. When the crew got to Ireland, there were no military personnel to give them their orders. They had to wait a few days. Once they got their orders, he recalls that the crew was required to take additional training courses, however, he wasn't requested to do so. He doesn't know why. So as they trained, he slept and was woken up at 3:00 a.m. to fly. That was his first mission. What it was, I don't know. They were stationed in England.
 
I have a number of photos, certificates and some memorabilia scanned. Dad was able to identify some of the men in the photos, however, not all. One of the photos is not of his crew. It is the crew of "Bastard's Bungalow". On the back of this photo is written "Raid on Kiel", December 13, 1943, S/Sgt. Leroy E. Leist. I will send some of this info to you. Do you want it in BMP or PDF format?
 
I also have to apologize. My last e-mail stated that Dad met with Jack Strang in NY. It wasn't Jack he met, it was the pilot of the "Royal Flush", Flannigan. Dad said that he was already married and had kids when they flew in Europe.
 
I hope this info helps in identifying some of the missions. If you obtain any info, I would appreciate it if you could forward it to me. By the way, what is "OLCAM"?
 
Dale


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CREW

CAPT DAVID L. MINER              P KIA  06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP
LT HERBERT A. ALF                CP POW  28 APR 44 SOTTEVAST (NOBALL)
LT EARL L. RICHARDSON       NAV POW  06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP (FROM THE JACK FLANIGAN CREW)
LT GEORGE R. JONES            BOM KIA  06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP
SGT WILLIAM C. LIBBERT       ROG POW  06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP
SGT ALBERT ZIKORUS            TTE POW  06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP
SGT VARDEN I. BUTLER          BTG KIA  06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP
SGT SAM PRY                     RWG POW/WIA 06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP
SGT LEONARD D. MALCUIT     LWG POW/WIA 06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP
SGT JUNE E. ROBERSON           TG POW  06 MAR 44 BERLIN, ELECTRICAL EQUIP

418th Sqdn.  Letter from Bertholf 8/Sep/88 : Crew joined the 100th in Sept.1943....jb 
Flying a/c 42-38059 LD-A.  This A/C was leading the high squadron when attacked by fighters.The nose was shot away and other damage 
occurred. It was Richardson's belief that as the ship wildly manuevered, Jones slipped or was thrown from the 
nose without his chute. Malcuit & Pry both suffered burns about the face and eyes."

Lt Alf was replaced for this mission of 6/3/44 by Lt George E.Kinsella from the T.J.Reilly crew. 
Kinsella was KIA.  Lt.Alf was flying with Col.Kelly and Capt.Lakin when he became a POW
Alf had arrived at the 100th Group as pilot with his own crew on 1/12/43.

Letter from E.L.Rlchardson dated 8/4/86 says that "Miner's crew was on its 25 misslon. and that he was"flying 
as replacement for D.Berthlof,Nav. who was ill with a sinus infection"

Missions of Capt. David Miner (from Bill Thompson's MACR Reports, missing 4 missions from this crew...mpf 2002)

1.  2/10/43  EMDEN
2.  4/10/43  HANAU
3.  8/10/43  BREMEN
4.  9/10/43  MARIENBURG
5.  5/11/43  GELSENKIRCHEN
6. 11/11/43 MUNSTER
7. 26/11/43 PARIS
8. 30/11/43 SOLINGEN
9.   5/12/43 BORDEAUX
10. 11/12/43 EMDEN
11. 13/12/43 KIEL
12. 16/12/43 BREMEN
13. 20/12/43 BREMEN
14. 22/12/43 MUNSTER
15.   1/01/44 PARIS
16. 30/01/44 BRUNSWICK
17. 10/02/44 BRUNSWICK
18. 24/02/44 ROSTOCK
19. 25/02/44 REGENSBURG
20.  3/03/44  BERLIN
21.  6/03/44  BERLIN


Subj: RE: 100thBG Feedback Form  
Date: 12/27/2003 9:25:07 PM Pacific Standard Time 
From: mroe21877@comcast.net 
To: MPFaley@aol.com 
Sent from the Internet (Details) 
 
There are three pictures.

On the 418th link 2nd page of pics 22nd down with the subtitle “Eighteen mostly unidentified airmen pose with ROYAL FLUSH”
The first person on the left in the middle row is my grandfather William Groenendaal.  (to the left of the person in the goggles)
This same pic is under the aircraft link with the subtitle “ROYAL FLUSH
418th aircraft”
Also on page 4 of pics under 418th with subtitle “John J. Flanigan crew with ground crew “

 NEXT PIC

On page 5 of pics under the 418th
4rd pic from bottom with subtitle “Photograph identified as, Gronendyle, Peal, Roach and Burns, April 1944.    (100th Photo Archives)
 upper left is William Groenendaal   (close)

 
Thanks

Mike
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CREW THAT FLEW  10 OCT 43 MUNSTER MISSION

1ST LT JOHN F. STEPHENS                   P POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
1ST LT HOYT L. SMITH                    CP POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
2ND LT RUDOLPH GRUM                   NAV POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER   (from Lt Flanigan Crew)
2 ND LT WILLIAM J. MOORE             BOM POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
T/SGT JOHN SHAY                        TTE POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
S/SGT GEORGE F. KNOLLE                WG POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
T/SGT MAX U. DRUDGE                   BTG POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
S/SGT CARL E. BATTIN                 ROG POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
S/SGT CASIMIR A. RACZYNSKI          WG POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 
S/SGT WILLIAM F. YOUNG                TG POW 10 OCT 43   MUNSTER 

DAVID SOLOMON (NAV) MOVED TO CREW #32,  REPLACING HARRY CROSBY WHEN CROSBY BECAME GROUP NAVIGATOR. LT RUDOLPH GRUM REPLACED SOLOMON ON CREW #29 AND BECAME A POW ON 10 OCT 43.

ERNEST KIESSLING WAS GROUNDED AFTER THREE OR FOUR MISSIONS FOR SURGURY AND JOHN STEPHENS TOOK OVER AS PILOT, LIKELY THIS IS WHEN LT HOYT L. SMITH BECAME THE CO-PILOT COMING FROM CREW #28. HE BECAME A POW ON 10 OCT 43 ALONG WITH STEPHENS.

T/SGT CARL E. BATTIN REPLACED S/SGT FRANK S. MAZARKA PRIOR TO THE CREWS OVERSEAS  FLIGHT AND WAS TAKEN PRISONER ON 10 0CT 43.

AFTER SEVERE FLAK DAMAGE AND ATTACKS BY FIGHTERS THE PILOTS MADE A SUCCESSFUL BELLY LANDING. MAX DRUDGE WAS WOUNDED IN THE RIGHT WRIST AND HAND BY A 20-MM AND T/SGT BATTIN SUFFERED A BROKEN ARM, THE REMAINDER WERE NOT INJURED AND ALL BECAME POWS. 


   
                                            CREW COMBAT MISSIONS
                                              B17F  23237  "Stymie"


-      Mission        Date         Flt Time             Target                        Results
        Number

          1.        6/22/43          4:00        Diversion, North Sea          Completed a.b.
          2.        6/25/43          5:00        Bremen, Subyards              Abortive c.d.
          3.        6/28/43          5:45        St Nazaire, Subpens           Completed
          4.        6/29/43          5:40        LeMans, Aero Engines             Completed
          5.         7/4/43         11:00        LaPallice, Harbor              Completed
          6.        7/10/43          5:30        LeBourget, Air Field           Abortive
          7         7/14/43          5:45        LeBourget, Air Field          Abortive
          8         7/25/43          7:35        Warnemunde, Aircraft Fac     Completed
          9.        7/29/43          7:20        Warnemunde, Aircraft Fac     Completed
         10.        7/30/43         6:10        Kassel Aircraft Factory           Completed
         11.        8/12/43         5:00        Wesseling, Synthetic Oil        Completed
         12.        8/14/43         3:50        Diversion, North Sea               Completed
         13.         9/6/43          9:15        Stuttgart, Ball Bearings           Completed
         14.         9/7/43          3:30        Watten, V-weapons                 Completed
         15.         9/7/43          4:00        Beauvais-Tille, Air Field         Completed
         16.        9/15/43         6:45        Paris, Aircraft Factory             Completed
         17.        9/27/43         5:45        Emden, Port                             Completed
         18.        10/2/43         6:00        Emden, Docks                          Completed
         19.        10/4/43         6:05        Hanau, Rubber Works             Completed
         20.        10/9/43       10:15        Marienburg, Aircraft Fac         Completed
         21.        l0/l0/43         ---            Munster, Marshalling Yards   Crash Landed, near Borken, Ger (e)

MEMO 2:

Replaced David Solomon when he moved to Crew #32.

KIA / MIA / EVA / INT INFORMATION:

TARGET: Munster DATE: 1943-10-10  
AIRCRAFT: "Stymie" (42-3237) CAUSE: EAC-FLAK-Crash Landed  

BURIAL INFORMATION

PLOT: ROW:  
GRAVE: CEMETERY:  

PHOTOS:

 Rudolph Grum NAV on the John F. Stephens crew. Detailed Information (100th Photo Archives) 

 John J. Flanigan crew with ground crew pose with "ROYAL FLUSH" First person on left in the middle row is William Groenendaal. Detailed Information (100th Photo Archives) 

John J. Flanigan Crew with Royal Flush (left to right) 
Standing: Earl Richardson, John (Jack "Skippy) Flanigan, Douglas Dunsdon, 
and Rudolph Grum 
Kneeling: Salvatore J. Luistro, Frederick "Farmer" Brown, Guy M. Tuccero, 
Jack J.  Strang, Adam  "Rudy" Rutkowski, Guerino "Bill" Melchiorre 
 Detailed Information (100th Photo Archives) 

 

SERVED IN:

Crew 1

Crew 2

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